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Burr: Russia Probe Difficult           08/18 12:18

   WASHINGTON (AP) -- For much of the last two years, Senate Intelligence 
Committee Chairman Richard Burr has been the Russia investigator who is seen 
but rarely heard on Capitol Hill.

   In an exclusive interview with The Associated Press, the North Carolina 
Republican opened up about the investigation that has now consumed 19 months of 
his life. He says it has been "frustrating as hell" and much more difficult 
than he originally envisioned. But he says the integrity of the investigation 
--- and its importance to the institution of the Senate --- is something he has 
labored to protect.

   "Nothing in this town stays classified or secret forever," Burr said. "And 
at some point somebody's going to go back and do a review. And I'd love not to 
be the one that chaired the committee when somebody says, 'well, boy, you 
missed this.' So we've tried to be pretty thorough in how we've done it."

   Burr said there is "no factual evidence today that we've received" on 
collusion or conspiracy between Russia and President Donald Trump's campaign. 
But he said he's still open on the issue and hasn't personally come to any 
final conclusions, since the investigation isn't finished.

   The Senate investigation is the last bipartisan congressional probe of 
Russia's interference in the 2016 election and connections to Trump's campaign. 
Working with the panel's top Democrat, Virginia Sen. Mark Warner, Burr has so 
far managed to keep the investigation free from the extraordinary acrimony that 
has plagued work on the House side of the Capitol. The House Intelligence 
Committee bitterly fought through its entire Russia investigation, which ended 
earlier this year despite the objections of Democrats.

   "From an institution standpoint I want the American people to understand 
that the Senate can function, even on the most serious things," Burr said.

   Normally a self-described creature of habit, Burr says his schedule has been 
upended. He says he has had "no life" since January 2017, when Senate Majority 
Leader Mitch McConnell asked him to start the investigation, and as the panel 
has chased leads --- and leads that came from those leads --- in the United 
States and abroad. He says the international aspect of the probe, the sheer 
number of players connected to one another and the many lawyers that they have 
to deal with have made the work more challenging than originally expected.

   Still, he says he doesn't think the committee should rush to wrap up the 
work, saying "the worst thing we can do is to prematurely try to end" the 
probe. He says the panel still has a handful of people to interview behind 
closed doors and some who they may want to interview again, though he isn't 
making any commitments on bringing witnesses forward publicly.

   "If the intent is to have a show trial, I'm not a participant," Burr says on 
public hearings. He says "I don't see a reason today" to bring back Donald 
Trump Jr., the president's son, who participated in a meeting with a Russian 
lawyer at Trump Tower during the election. That meeting has been a focus of the 
committee probe and special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation. Trump Jr. 
spoke to committee staff at the end of 2017.

   The committee is also still talking to lawyers for former British spy 
Christopher Steele, who compiled a dossier containing allegations of ties 
between Trump, his associates and Russia during the election, and lawyers for 
WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange in hopes of gaining closed-door interviews, 
Burr said. WikiLeaks released hacked emails from Hillary Clinton's campaign in 

   Burr won't give a timeline for the end of the investigation or a final 
report, which could create fissures in the panel's so-far bipartisan unity. 
Many Democrats are likely to disagree that there is no evidence of collusion, 
if that is the committee's final conclusion.

   "I am sure there will be people at the end of this who feel that we came to 
a conclusion that they vehemently disagree with," Burr said. "I know that from 
a committee's integrity standpoint we've got to prove what we find. And if you 
can't prove it then we can't make the claim."

   By putting off the final report, Burr and Warner have so far been able to 
maintain the bipartisan tenor.

   "I have confidence in Richard Burr that we together, with the members of our 
committee, are going to get to the bottom of this," Warner said last year. "And 
if you get nothing else from today, take that statement to the bank."

   Unlike many of his Intelligence Committee colleagues, Burr has eschewed 
cable television appearances and refrained from visiting the White House and 
interacting with Trump. Republican Sen. Jim Lankford of Oklahoma, who sits on 
the intelligence panel and is close to Burr, says Burr started every meeting at 
the beginning of the probe by asking senators not to talk to the media "until 
we get additional facts and we put things out together."

   Lankford says it's possible the final report will split the committee.

   "The hardest part is when staff starts going through all of the details and 
writes the last report," Lankford says. "And then we start having people say, I 
won't say that. That's the threat."

   For now, Burr says, the committee is preparing to put out two reports by the 
end of September: one on the Obama administration's response to Russia's 
election interference, and a second on Russia's election meddling on social 
media. The committee is also expected to hold a hearing with Facebook COO 
Sheryl Sandberg and Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey in the first week of September.

   Burr says the investigation has yielded information outside the boundaries 
of the probe that the committee will likely look into for years to come, 
including the social media manipulation.

   "I don't think any of us when we started understood just how coordinated the 
disinformation and societal chaos campaign was. I think what probably will be 
shocking is how early it started --- much earlier than the parameters that 
people have put on the 2016 election," Burr says, teasing information that will 
come out in one of the future reports. He wouldn't give any additional details.


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